The Barber-Surgeons

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With this mini-expansion, you'll send your meeples to the barber surgeon's. A bathhouse had several purposes during the Middle Ages. You could take a bath sharing the latest gossip, as well as enjoying a highly professional medical treatment. Of course, your meeple will be enjoying his time in the bathhouse, so he won't be able to help you. To get him back there are various possibilities …

General info and comments

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Originally released by Hans im Glück in 2018 during Essen Spiel.

This expansion doesn't exist for the 1st edition (C1 for short).

This expansion has been developed for the Carcassonne basic game. All the basic game rules still apply in addition to the expansion rules below. You can combine it with other expansions - but at your own risk – that is, there will be no official rules for these combinations.

Contents

  • 6 new land tiles with bathhouses marked with expansion symbol.
One of the new buildings

Rules

Preparation

Shuffle the 6 bathhouse tiles and select as many as needed according to the number of players.

Number of players  2 3 4 and more
Bathhouses  4 5 6

Now, shuffle the right number of bathhouse tiles with the rest of the land tiles. Put the unneeded bathhouse tiles back into the box.

Scoring bathhouse points

1. Placing a tile

When you draw a bathhouse tile, you place it according to the normal rules.

2. Placing a meeple

After having placed a bathhouse tile, you may place a meeple according to normal rules, that is, you may place him on a road, in a city or on a field. However, you cannot place the meeple on the bathhouse itself.

Example: You place the tile with the bathhouse and put a meeple in the city.
3. Scoring a feature

Scoring with a bathhouse

Having finished a city with a bathhouse, you score as usual. In addition to the normal points, the owner of the city gets the number of points shown on the banner (3, 4 or 5). If there are several bathhouses in a scored city, add all the bathhouse points in it.

The same applies to roads with bathhouses.

Example: You finish and score a city. You get a total 9 points (6 points for the 3 city tiles and 3 points for the bathhouse).
Final Scoring

Bathhouses will provide no bonus points to features scored after the game. [1]

Visiting a bathhouse after scoring

3. Scoring a feature

Placing a meeple in a bathhouse after scoring

If there is only one meeple involved in a scoring [2] and if there is at least one free bathhouse, instead of returning the meeple to your hand, you must place your meeple sideways in (any) one of the free bathhouses (or in the only free bathhouse) immediately after the scoring. [3] You score the feature as usual before doing so.

Example: After scoring the small city, you place your meeple in the bathhouse.

Respect the following rules:

  • A bathhouse is free if there is no meeple in it
  • If there are several free bathhouses, you can choose in which one you place your meeple
  • If there are several meeples involved in scoring a feature, all meeples are returned to the players' supply (even if all meeples belong to one player) - no meeple is placed in a bathhouse
  • If there is no free bathhouse, you get your meeple back
  • If there are several features scored (by placing one single land tile) you have to consider the order in which the features are scored - the player who placed the land tile decides the order in which the scoring is carried out, as this may affect which meeples are placed in free bathhouses (if applicable).
Final Scoring

No meeples will be moved to any free bathhouse during the final scoring. [4]

Leaving the bathhouse

There are two possibilities to get back a meeple that has been placed in the bathhouse.

1. Placing a tile

Getting back a meeple from the bathhouse for free

If a player places the last land tile surrounding a bathhouse (the same way you complete monasteries), the meeple placed in the bathhouse can be taken back immediately and for free. The returned meeple does not score any points when returned.

Example: Blue surrounds the bathhouse completely with his land tile. You can take your meeple back.

Note!

  • If you place a meeple in a bathhouse which is already surrounded by 8 land tiles, you cannot get him back for free.
  • If you realize that there is still a meeple in a bathhouse which was completely surrounded in a preceding round, you are not allowed to take it back for free anymore.
2. Placing a meeple

Buying back a meeple staying in a bathhouse

To get back your meeple you can also pay with points. The number of points you lose depends on the number shown on the respective bathhouse (3, 4 or 5). Move your meeple back on the scoring board. You are allowed to have less than 0 points. [5]

Example: You take your meeple back to your stash after having paid 4 points (as indicated by the bathhouse tile). You move your meeple 4 points backwards.

You can buy a meeple back after having placed a land tile. You are allowed to place this meeple in the same round.

If a meeple leaves the bathhouse, the bathhouse is free again and ready to welcome another meeple. [6]

Clarifications for new landscape tiles

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The bridge does not end the roads displayed on it, nor does it combine them; the road with the bathhouse continues from left to right, while the other continues from top to bottom. The roads split the field into four separate fields.

Other expansions

This section contains additional information about the interactions with other Carcassonne expansions.

General comments

Interpretation from the Community If there is only one meeple involved in a scoring, it may go to a bathhouse even if it scores 0 or negative points:

Exp. 3 - The Princess & the DragonExp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon

Interpretation from the Community The fairy can be assigned to a meeple trapped in a bathhouse. The player may receive the fairy 1-point bonus at the beginning of their turn but may not receive the fairy 3-point scoring bonus when the meeple is taken back for free or bought back by its owner. In this case, the fairy will prevent the dragon from visiting the bathhouse tile.

Interpretation from the Community The dragon can eat a meeple trapped in a bathhouse.
Interpretation from the Community If a meeple is sent to a bathhouse on a tile with the dragon, it will eat the meeple automatically.

Interpretation from the Community A meeple cannot be sent to a bathhouse with a magic portal.

Exp. 5 - Abbey & MayorExp. 5 - Abbey & Mayor

Interpretation from the Community If a wagon is alone on a feature and scores, it will go to an empty bathhouse, if any. If it is not possible, the wagon will be allowed to move to another valid feature if its owner decides so.
Note: If you cannot remove the wagon after scoring due to a bathhouse, you will not be able to move it either.

Interpretation from the Community A wagon cannot move from a completed feature to an empty bathhouse after scoring. Bathhouses cannot be occupied like a normal feature.

Interpretation from the Community A wagon trapped in a bathhouse cannot move to a neighboring feature when the bathhouse is completely surrounded. The wagon can only return to its owner, if the player remembers to take it back (for free at this point). A completely surrounded bathhouse is not associated with a normal scoring.

Mini #1 - The Flying MachinesMini #1 - The Flying Machines

Interpretation from the Community A meeple cannot be sent to a bathhouse with a flying machine.

The Markets of LeipzigThe Markets of Leipzig

Interpretation from the Community No meeple on a road sending meeples to Leipzig may go to a bathhouse.

Tile distribution

Total tiles: 6
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Footnotes

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  1. Interpretation from the Community The rules only consider the bathhouse bonus when scoring completed roads and cities. Incomplete features would not get bathhouse bonus points.
  2. Interpretation from the Community This rule would only affect actual meeples: normal meeples, large meeple, abbot, wagon, mayor, ringmaster, guard meeples, and phantom. Other player's figures on the playing area are not considered: pig, builder, barn, and shepherd.
  3. Interpretation from the Community Note that this action would affect those scorings of features from any player (not only the active player) with one meeple taking place in phase 3. Scoring a feature -those scorings where meeples are returned to their owners after scoring a completed feature or a field during the game. However, it would not affect the scoring of bonuses or those scorings taking place in other phases (or not removing meeples). Some examples:
    • A farmer may go to a bathhouse when scoring its field during the game due to a barn.
    • A meeple receiving a watchtower bonus will not go to a bathhouse for the bonus itself (it may go only as a consequence of the scoring of the road or city it occupies).
    • An abbot removed and scored in 2. Placing a meeple will not go to a bathhouse.
    • Scoring a feature when receiving Message #8 will not send the chosen meeple to a bathhouse, since it is not a regular scoring taking place in 3. Scoring a feature.
    • Scoring the big top with only one neighboring meeple would not send it to any empty batthouse.
  4. Interpretation from the Community The rules consider this action applies when scoring features completed during the game as a result of a tile placement.
  5. Interpretation from the Community You can buy back more than one meeple during your turn. The action "Buying back a meeple" and the action "Placing a meeple" are independent. Therefore, the fact that you can only place one meeple during your turn does not mean that you can only buy back one meeple during your turn - since there is no connection between the two actions. The action "Buying back a meeple" is not limited, so you can buy back as many meeples as you want during your turn.

     Official clarification from the publisher Question: Can players buy back only one meeple or several meeples during their turn?

    Answer: Buying back meeples is independent of the actual placing of a meeple. It is not limited. (1/2025)

  6. Interpretation from the Community This other meeple can be any meeple from any player, even the same meeple that just left the bathhouse.
Initiate scoring with bathhouse
anonymous | Posted on Jan 20, 2024 at 8:46 pm

If you complete a feature with a bathhouse (and the feature has only one meeple in it), do you still place the meeple in an empty bathhouse? Even if that bathhouse is in that feature that you just scored?

Your meeple
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Sep 29, 2022 at 9:49 pm

"you must place your meeple sideways in (any) one of the free bathhouses" - The reader could understand that only the meeples of the active player can be sent to bathhouses during a given turn. I know that this is not true, but a footnote regarding this would not harm.

Meepledrone | Posted on Oct 31, 2022 at 7:03 pm

Updated footnote #3 in this regard.

Wagon
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jan 8, 2021 at 1:26 pm

The wagon arrival at a bathhouse can be described.

Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Dec 9, 2021 at 1:27 pm

It would also be interesting the interaction between sending a meeple to a bathhouse and the dragon on a bathhouse tile.

Meepledrone | Posted on Oct 31, 2022 at 7:06 pm | Last edited on Oct 31, 2022 at 8:53 pm

Please let me know what topics you would like to clarify:

  1. That the wagon cannot move to a batthous from a neighboring tiles?
  2. That a wagon trapped in a bathhouse cannot move to a neighboring feature?
  3. That the dragon can eat a meeple trapped in a bathhouse?
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Oct 31, 2022 at 8:46 pm

Wagon: 1) from https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5671.msg82439#msg82439.

Dragon: If there are 2 free bathhouses, and on 1 of them the dragon is placed, you cannot move a meeple on the dragon bathhouse.

Meepledrone | Posted on Oct 31, 2022 at 9:45 pm

Added clarification for 1) - Nor marked for translation yet.

Regarding 2), there is no rule to prevent this. The dragon on the tile will not allow the meeple to rest on the tile, but doesn't prevent you from trying to send the meeple to the tile. It is a subtle difference.

Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Nov 1, 2022 at 12:04 am | Last edited on Nov 1, 2022 at 12:08 am

1. That the wagon cannot move to a bathhouse from a neighboring tiles?

2. That a wagon trapped in a bathhouse cannot move to a neighboring feature?

3. https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5671.msg82540#msg82540 (If there is only one Meeple involved in a scoring – the scoring still occurs, even if the player receives 0 points, so...)

These are another things that are not described in this page.

Meepledrone | Posted on Nov 1, 2022 at 10:47 am

Added these interactions ans some more

Flying
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jan 5, 2021 at 4:58 pm

Can you fly on a free bathhouse?

Meepledrone | Posted on Jan 7, 2021 at 7:50 am

No, you cannot fly to a bathhouse because it is a feature on a tile that you cannot occupy by direct placement. Bathhouses cannot be claimed and scored, they are special areas although located on a tile.

Steps
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Dec 30, 2020 at 3:06 pm

It can be mentioned that 1. the farmers can arrive on a bathhouse (if barn), 2. the acrobats and the abbot (if 2B-1) cannot arrive on a bathhouse, 3. if message 8, that meeple cannot arrive on a bathhouse.

Meepledrone | Posted on Jan 7, 2021 at 8:40 am | Last edited on Jan 7, 2021 at 8:40 am

Added clarification. I omitted acrobats since it is not a single-meeple scoring either.

the Princess and the Dragon
anonymous | Posted on Dec 13, 2020 at 12:41 pm

If we play with the Princess and the Dragon, then the tile with the princess can free the meeple from the bathhouse in the city? Dragon too?

Meepledrone | Posted on Dec 13, 2020 at 11:36 pm

The princess tile may remove a knight but a meeple in a bathhouse in a city is not a knight (it would be a similar case to a meeple on top of a tower touching or inside a city). On the other hand, the dragon can do the trick and remove meeples trapped in a bathhouse (in a city or by a road).

Player
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jun 8, 2020 at 2:14 pm | Last edited on Jun 9, 2020 at 9:22 am

"f a player places the last Land tile surrounding a bathhouse"- includind you ("a player")?

Meepledrone | Posted on Jun 9, 2020 at 9:46 pm

Yes. You have to pay attention to bathhouses surrounded by you or any other player if you want to recover your trapped meeple for free. If you miss the opportunity, you will have to pay.

This means that the surrounding of a bathhouse and the recovery of your meeple may happen on any player's turn.

Welcome
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jun 5, 2020 at 12:18 pm

"If a Meeple leaves the bathhouse, the bathhouse is free again and ready to welcome another Meeple." "another". It sounds like if that meeple has already visited that bathhouse it cannot return anymore.


Meepledrone | Posted on Jun 9, 2020 at 9:48 pm | Last edited on Jun 9, 2020 at 10:30 pm

The meaning is "another meeple from any player." It can be even the same meeple as you point out.

Added a clarification.

1. Completing a bathhouse
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jun 5, 2020 at 12:05 pm

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"If a player places the last Land tile surrounding a bathhouse". That means that in this example you cannot get your meeple back?

Meepledrone | Posted on Jun 9, 2020 at 9:51 pm

You cannot get it for free as the bathhouse is not surrounded. However, you may get it back if you pay 3 points for it.

Points
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jun 5, 2020 at 11:30 am | Last edited on Jun 5, 2020 at 6:28 pm

The Barber-Surgeons

"Having finished a city with a bathhouse, you score as usual." It can be interpreted that you receive bathhouse points only if you complete the road/city.

"If there are several bathhouses in a scored city, add all the bathhouse points." "all the bathhouse" can be interpreted as "all the bathhouse from the entire playing area".

Meepledrone | Posted on Jun 9, 2020 at 9:59 pm | Last edited on Jun 9, 2020 at 10:31 pm

1) "Having finished a city with a bathhouse, you score as usual." It can be interpreted that you receive bathhouse points only if you complete the road/city.

The following sentence after the one you quoted eliminates any possible ambiguity: The player(s) with the majority score the city and get the bathhouse bonus...

"In addition to the normal points, the owner of the city gets the number of points shown on the banner (3, 4 or 5)."

2) "If there are several bathhouses in a scored city, add all the bathhouse points." "all the bathhouse" can be interpreted as "all the bathhouse from the entire playing area".

Well, in the sentence you are referring to the bathhouses in the city as per the first clause. I updated the wording slightly to clarify this point.

Tile
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jun 5, 2020 at 11:27 am

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It is not mentioned nothing about the effect of this tile.

Meepledrone | Posted on Jun 9, 2020 at 10:06 pm | Last edited on Jun 9, 2020 at 10:31 pm

The horizontal read is the only one affected by the bathhouse.

Added a clarification section covering the tile.

Obligation
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jun 3, 2020 at 7:50 pm

You are obligated to place a meeple when you place a Bathhouse tile?

Meepledrone | Posted on Jun 9, 2020 at 10:04 pm | Last edited on Jun 9, 2020 at 10:32 pm

Nope. You have to follow the rules, that indicate you may place a meeple on any regular feature but the bathhouse. As we know meeples may end up there but not by direct placement.

Updated the wording.

Final scoring
Paloi Sciurala | Posted on Jun 3, 2020 at 5:51 pm

It is not mentioned nothing about final scoring.

Meepledrone | Posted on Jun 9, 2020 at 10:06 pm | Last edited on Jun 9, 2020 at 10:55 pm

As per the rules, only completed roads or cities may get the bathhouse bonus. So bathhouse have no effect during final scoring.

In any case, updated the rules to clarify this point.