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== WikiCarpedia (WICA) general guidelines ==
== TO DO LIST ==


=== I want to contribute ===
* various Spin-offs:
** <s>Amazonas, Amazon River Bonus Tiles</s>
** <s>The City</s>
** <s>Hunters and Gatherers (<s>text</s>, style, references) (Sinscerly working on this)</s>
** <s>Hunters and Gatherers v2</s>
** <s>South Seas, South Seas Friday</s>
** <s>Star Wars, Star Wars Expansion 1</s>
** <s>Cardcassonne</s>
** <s>The Castle, The Castle Falcon</s>
** <s>The Dice Game</s>
** <s>The Discovery</s>
** <s>My First Carcassonne/Junior</s>
** <s>My First Carcassonne/Junior v2</s>
** <s>Over Hill and Dale</s>


Visit [http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/ Carcasonne Central forum], contribute to the community, gain their trust and prove you are worthy!
* Others:
** <s>Digital</s>
** <s>Accessories and Gadgets</s>


=== What to put in WikiCarpedia ===
* MediaWiki Expansions:
** <s>Adding Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion</s>
  [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion ]


WikiCarpedia is about facts. That means rules, variants, history, notable events, people and companies. House rules is as far as it goes beyond this, as long as they do not blur the whole picture and do not complicate it for the average player.
I include below a list of pending tasks for the Game Reference:


There are many other places to look for things like strategy guides or news.
* '''[[Game Figures|Figure Reference]]:''' merging the CAR Figure reference (pages 205-206) <s>and the Summary of Figure Characteristics (pages 217-221) (Murphy013 working on this)</s>


=== New/old edition separation ===
* <s>'''Summary of Rule Sets and Changes (page 216):''' needs a new page and has to be updated for C2</s>


At the time of WikiCarpedia creation, the New Edition (aka Carcassonne II) has already been 3 years on the market. There is now a large group of Carcassonne fans that have never played the old edition. A restart of the complete annotated rules (CAR) is in place, but keep in mind that not all players are interested in the long and complicated history of Carcassonne 1.  
* <s>'''Mega Carcassonne (pages 222-226):''' this can be dynamic too, and it contains a tile summary table that depends on the Tile Reference... so it has to wait until it is resolved.</s>


Naturally this approach means that a lot of things may have to be written twice (eg. Rules for main expansions). One of the benefits of this is that content regarding the old edition can have annotations that are not necessary for the new edition, while those for the new edition can have updated graphics and a more streamlined approach.
* '''[[Glossary|Glossary]] (page 282-300):''' wolnic had a first attempt at this (Check his user pages). We have to check with him his next steps on this.


=== I have a question/issue regarding particular page ===
* '''English-German Dictionary (pages 301-307):''' To be done and updated for C2


Each page has the discussion tab. Go there and press edit. Put title in header tags and elaborate below it.
* <s>'''Scoring: A Historical Perspective (pages 308-311):''' To be done... this is mostly important to C1</s>
For example:
<pre>
== The structure should be different ==
I think that we need to move faq segment before tile reference.
</pre>


Do not forget to end your question with signature:
* <s>'''Carcassonne Collections and Expansions (pages 312-315):''' To be updated and added. </s>
<pre>--~~~~</pre>  
It looks like this:
--[[User:Msasinski|Msasinski]] ([[User talk:Msasinski|talk]]) 11:18, 27 August 2018 (UTC)


== Editing ==
* '''Expansion Checklist (page 316):''' To be updated and added.


=== How to create new page ===
* '''Timeline releases (pages 317-326):''' This is replaced in some way by the Timeline + Variants page. I would check if any image can be added to the associated C1 expansion page.


Please read the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Contents User's Guide]. The easiest way is to click one of the red links on the main page - a red link means the page has not yet been created. You will be directed to the new page creation.  
* <s>'''Selected Variants (pages 327-329):''' To be added. Don't know if more variants have been proposed and could be added here, such as a couple of solo variants that were published on CarcC.</s>


The recommended way to create a new page for Mediawiki is to create a link on an already existing page (consult user guide on how to make links) and then click it to be directed to the new page creation.
* '''Feature reference:''' We were commenting some days ago of adding a section on describing features on a holistic way (so to speak)... and out of the blue we got this thread on CarcC that was a example of the same idea:


=== How to edit a page ===
: [http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4183.msg61562;topicseen#new Ecclesiastical Terms in Carcassonne]


Please read the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Contents User's Guide].
: It would not be a another glossary, but a feature reference that summarizes interactions, that are not normally located in one single place.
Check any of the existing pages by going into edit mode to look for guidance. If you have any more question do not hesitate to ask any question on Carcassonne Central Forum. Any frequently asked question will be addressed here.


=== How to edit main page ===


As any other page, except that this is allowed only to users promoted to administrators.
--[[User:Meepledrone|Meepledrone]] ([[User talk:Meepledrone|talk]]) 12:41, 6 January 2019 (UTC)


=== I would like to do some testing ===
Removed pages added up to now


Each user has their own page (eg [[User:msasinski]]) and associated discussion tab on which to try things out.
--[[User:Meepledrone|Meepledrone]] ([[User talk:Meepledrone|talk]]) 00:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)


<pre>http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/User:username</pre>
Updated


You can go directly to it from your username by clicking on your username in the top right of any screen.
--[[User:Meepledrone|Meepledrone]] ([[User talk:Meepledrone|talk]]) 22:00, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


=== How to insert pictures ===
== Main page structure ==


Please read the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Contents User's Guide] and be consistent with the rest of WikiCarPedia. Please check out [[Besiegers Cathars Siege (1st edition)|Besiegers - Cathars - Siege]] page and how the images are inserted there.
My high level suggestion for C1/C2 is groping:
* Base game (by HiG)
* Major Expansions (by HiG)
* Minor Expansions (by HiG)
* Minor expansions by others (Spiel Doch, Spiel Box and other events,...)


<span style="background:RED; color:#ffffff;">For copyright reasons, any individual tile images (such as in Tile Distribution on Expansion pages) have to be no more than 120 pixels by 120 pixels.</span>
Don't see any problem either in grouping spin-offs in separate pages following the idea of Winter Edition.


=== How to insert icons ===
--[[User:Meepledrone|Meepledrone]] ([[User talk:Meepledrone|talk]]) 14:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


Please refer to [[Icons|Icons page]].
(To be completed by Sinscerly)


<pre>
Being under completion of Sinscerly :)
* [[File:Icon_Locked_Red.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Questions ...
* [[File:Icon_House_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Footnotes ...
* [[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Footnotes ...
* [[File:Icon_World_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Interpretations ...
* [[File:Icon_Open_Book.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Fully ...
</pre>


* [[File:Icon_Locked_Red.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Questions ...  
My thoughts about the Mainpage being a Hub to deliver to all the different subpages. So main page would look the following
* [[File:Icon_House_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Footnotes ...
Main Page:
* [[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Footnotes ...
  > Carcassonne C2
* [[File:Icon_World_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Interpretations ...
  > Carcassonne C1
* [[File:Icon_Open_Book.png|16px|text-bottom|]] - Fully ...
  > Carcassonne Spin-offs
  > other relevant information and pages.  


=== How to insert footnotes ===
So on the Carcassonne C2 page you can find anything related to C2. with the structure that is now on the main page.
Same for C1
Then we get to Spin-offs also as C2 and C1 but then winter has it's own subpage where all the mini's and base game for winter are.


For example:
What is the point about this. Well it would be more clicking instead of scrolling, on mobile then. Also it could be maybe better visible.


<pre>The teacher meeple is placed on the school.<ref> [[File:Icon_World_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] If playing with the dragon, the teacher will have to be placed on one or the other of the school tiles (i.e., not in the middle), as he can be eaten by the dragon.</ref></pre>
Otherwise I would suggest:


Text within ref tags will be put on the bottom. Add following text at the very end of the page, where there are footnotes:
Main page
C2
> base
> > abt
> > river
> expansions
> > exp 1
> > etc


<pre>== Footnotes ==
C1
For Icons licensing and explanation please visit [[Icons|Icons page]].</pre>
> base
> expansions
> > exp 1
> > etc


=== How to color text ===
Spin-offs
> Winter
> > Base Game
> > Gingerbread Man
> > Corn Circles ( I still don't get it, normal one are Crop Circles, right? and winter is called Corn Circles???....)
> other Spin-offs


<pre><span style="color: red">'''RED'''</span></pre> <span style="color: red">'''RED'''</span>
To put all expansions together, but don't know if that's good. I think the first suggestion is more clearer.


<br/>
--[[User:Sinscerly|Sinscerly]] ([[User talk:Sinscerly|talk]]) 16:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
<pre><span style="color: blue">'''BLUE'''</span></pre> <span style="color: blue">'''BLUE'''</span>


<br/>
== Expansion naming ==
<pre><span style="color: #ffcc00">'''YELLOW'''</span></pre> <span style="color: #ffcc00">'''YELLOW'''</span>


<br/>
I've come across several discrepancies in the text that I would like to discuss in order to see if we agree any action upon them. Some may come from the source material (the CAR mainly). This entry is about Expansion naming.
<pre><span style="color: green">'''GREEN'''</span></pre> <span style="color: green">'''GREEN'''</span>


<br/>
For some expansions we are using names that differ from the "official" ones used by the English publishers. We have some differences in capitalization, the use of And vs. &, and other cases. I included some examples comparing with ZMG:
<pre>'''BLACK'''</pre> '''BLACK'''


<br/>
{| class="wikitable"
<pre><span style="color: gray">'''GRAY'''</span></pre> <span style="color: gray">'''GRAY'''</span>
|-
! Oficial Name || Wikicarpedia name
|-
| Inns & Cathedrals || Inns and Cathedrals
|-
| Traders & Builders || Traders and Builders
|-
| The Princess & The Dragon || The Princess and the Dragon
|-
| Abbey & Mayor || Abbey and the Mayor
|-
| Count, King & Robber || Count, King and Robber
|-
| Under The Big Top || Under the Big Top
|-
| The Flying Machines || The Flier (Flying Machines)
|-
| The Messengers || Messages, The (Dispatches)
|-
| The Gold Mines || The Goldmines
|-
| Mage & Witch || Mage and Witch
|-
| The Crop Circles || Crop Circles
|}


<br/>
Suggestion:
<pre><span style="color: #fc94fe">'''PINK'''</span></pre> <span style="color: #fc94fe">'''PINK'''</span>
* Using the publisher-given name and stick to it when available.
* Verify if some other name has to be updated, checking references to translations for German.


<br/>
For more colors [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Text_color check wikimedia help page]


=== Color coding the rules ===
--[[User:Meepledrone|Meepledrone]] ([[User talk:Meepledrone|talk]]) 14:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


Carcassonne 2 manual consists of color coded parts. How to use them:


<pre>
* Sure, better to correct sooner than later. Are you willing to do this? I guess to have as little mess as possible, it would be best to move them without redirection. --[[User:MajFrost|MajFrost]] ([[User talk:MajFrost|talk]]) 10:23, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
{{RulesPlacingTile|1=====|2=Placing a tile|
3=When you draw a Land tile with a fruit-bearing tree (Tree tile), you place it according to the normal rules. Then, you place a stack with 4 fruit tokens (of the same fruit type) on top of the Tree tile...
}}
</pre>


{{RulesPlacingTile|1=====|2=Placing a tile|
* Problem with using & in names is that adress will look like crap:
3=When you draw a Land tile with a fruit-bearing tree (Tree tile), you place it according to the normal rules. Then, you place a stack with 4 fruit tokens (of the same fruit type) on top of the Tree tile...
}}


The are three templates with appropriate colors:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep
* RulesPlacingTile
* RulesPlacingMeeple
* RulesScoring


== Page translation ==
--[[User:MajFrost|MajFrost]] ([[User talk:MajFrost|talk]]) 10:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)


=== How to create page in my language ===
== Cross-references to Expansions/Base game ==


The translation process may seem complicated at first, but believe me, it is not. Just read the following steps and try it once. If the page already have language selector, you can go directly to point 3.
I've come across several discrepancies in the text that I would like to discuss in order to see if we agree any action upon them. This entry is about cross-references between Expansions.


# Create new page and fill it with english content
The CAR original text shows cross-refereces to Expansions in italics generally in the text but not always in footnotes.
# (THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT PART) put all the content in translate tags


<div style=clear:both></div>
Suggestion:
<b>&lt;translate></b>
* Use a link in bold to provide a navigable cross-reference that stands out from the text.  
Fréttinga is a small municipality in MungoLand, located on the BaMungo island.
It hosts a population of about 400 people. It has some agriculture and fishing.
Tourists like to visit it in the summer time.
== Services ==
It doesn't have many services. There is a shop and car ferry visits the island
from mainland once a day.
<b>&lt;/translate></b>
Note that you don't need to add markers like <code>&lt;!--T:1--&gt;</code>.


# under the page title you can find link "mark this page for translation"
Example:
# language selector appears on top of the page
# follow link "translate this page" at the top, follow the easy wizard
# new language will be available in language selector after the translation


If the English version was changed after translation, the sentence "This page has changes since it was last marked for translation." appears  at the top. Click "marked for translation" part and decide if you want to translate it again (since some new parts may have been added).
<pre> Lorem ipsum '''[[The Expansion|The Expansion]]''' blah blah blah</pre>


Naturally every native speakers of their respective language are responsible for their approach to translation. Eg. names of expansions not officially translated to particular language can be translated on WikiCarPedia or not (address of the page still need to be kept in english).
Lorem ipsum '''[[The Expansion|The Expansion]]''' blah blah blah


If anything is unclear you can read [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example#Last_words extended  manual].


=== How do I know what is left to translate ===
--[[User:Meepledrone|Meepledrone]] ([[User talk:Meepledrone|talk]]) 14:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


Visit [[Special:LanguageStats]] and choose your language code. Language code is case sensitive.


=== How translate links ===
* I do not get the point of this? So you just want it to stand out from text? Why?
<pre>
--[[User:MajFrost|MajFrost]] ([[User talk:MajFrost|talk]]) 10:14, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
[[Castles in Germany (1st edition)|Castles in Germany]]
</pre>
can be translated using label (polish example):


<pre>
== Self-references to a Expansions/Base game ==
* [[Castles in Germany (1st edition)/pl|Niemieckie Zamki]]
</pre>


so the link to the correct page will be preserved.
I've come across several discrepancies in the text that I would like to discuss in order to see if we agree any action upon them. This entry is about self-references in a page.


=== Why English is first language for every page ===
The CAR original text shows self-refereces to Expansions capitalized.


Translation on WikiCarpedia is executed by use of the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate Translation plugin]. This means that one language always needs to be first and it decides on general structure on the page. On Wikipedia.org every language version is a completely different page on different wiki site. Unfortunately this is complicated technically and requires a lot of resources.
Suggestion:
* Use a link in bold to provide a navigable cross-reference that stands out from the text. In case of transcluded page, it MediaWiki will render a link in bold, otherwise name in bold as is.  


In the end if, for some reason, the given page structure is unacceptable for given translation, the original (English) page needs to be (carefully) reconstructed.
Example:


So again. '''Each page needs to be finished and accepted in the English language before commencing translation.'''
<pre> Lorem ipsum '''[[Link to Self|Link to Self]]''' blah blah blah</pre>
 
Lorem ipsum '''Link to Self''' blah blah blah
 
 
--[[User:Meepledrone|Meepledrone]] ([[User talk:Meepledrone|talk]]) 14:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 
* What is the point of selfreferencing? --[[User:MajFrost|MajFrost]] ([[User talk:MajFrost|talk]]) 10:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 
<!--
== Naming figures and features ==
 
I've come across several discrepancies in the text that I would like to discuss in order to see if we agree any action upon them. This entry is about naming figures and features.
 
The CAR refers to the figures and features in lowercase or capitalized indistictively. For example: hill vs Hill.
 
* Capitalizing or not figures and/of features
 
 
I've come across several in the source material (the CAR mainly) that we could address in a revision of the text:
 
* References to Publishers
 
 
** Include original German names?
** Case: King, Robber and Consort
 
 
* Naming consistency in C1:
  * cloister vs. monastery
  * Thief vs. highwayman
  * pennant vs. coat of arms
* References to the Abbot/Gingerbread Man in C1 expansions
 
-->

Latest revision as of 21:37, 23 December 2022

TO DO LIST

  • various Spin-offs:
    • Amazonas, Amazon River Bonus Tiles
    • The City
    • Hunters and Gatherers (text, style, references) (Sinscerly working on this)
    • Hunters and Gatherers v2
    • South Seas, South Seas Friday
    • Star Wars, Star Wars Expansion 1
    • Cardcassonne
    • The Castle, The Castle Falcon
    • The Dice Game
    • The Discovery
    • My First Carcassonne/Junior
    • My First Carcassonne/Junior v2
    • Over Hill and Dale
  • Others:
    • Digital
    • Accessories and Gadgets
  • MediaWiki Expansions:
    • Adding Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion
  Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion 

I include below a list of pending tasks for the Game Reference:

  • Figure Reference: merging the CAR Figure reference (pages 205-206) and the Summary of Figure Characteristics (pages 217-221) (Murphy013 working on this)
  • Summary of Rule Sets and Changes (page 216): needs a new page and has to be updated for C2
  • Mega Carcassonne (pages 222-226): this can be dynamic too, and it contains a tile summary table that depends on the Tile Reference... so it has to wait until it is resolved.
  • Glossary (page 282-300): wolnic had a first attempt at this (Check his user pages). We have to check with him his next steps on this.
  • English-German Dictionary (pages 301-307): To be done and updated for C2
  • Scoring: A Historical Perspective (pages 308-311): To be done... this is mostly important to C1
  • Carcassonne Collections and Expansions (pages 312-315): To be updated and added.
  • Expansion Checklist (page 316): To be updated and added.
  • Timeline releases (pages 317-326): This is replaced in some way by the Timeline + Variants page. I would check if any image can be added to the associated C1 expansion page.
  • Selected Variants (pages 327-329): To be added. Don't know if more variants have been proposed and could be added here, such as a couple of solo variants that were published on CarcC.
  • Feature reference: We were commenting some days ago of adding a section on describing features on a holistic way (so to speak)... and out of the blue we got this thread on CarcC that was a example of the same idea:
Ecclesiastical Terms in Carcassonne
It would not be a another glossary, but a feature reference that summarizes interactions, that are not normally located in one single place.


--Meepledrone (talk) 12:41, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Removed pages added up to now

--Meepledrone (talk) 00:47, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Updated

--Meepledrone (talk) 22:00, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Main page structure

My high level suggestion for C1/C2 is groping:

  • Base game (by HiG)
  • Major Expansions (by HiG)
  • Minor Expansions (by HiG)
  • Minor expansions by others (Spiel Doch, Spiel Box and other events,...)

Don't see any problem either in grouping spin-offs in separate pages following the idea of Winter Edition.

--Meepledrone (talk) 14:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

(To be completed by Sinscerly)

Being under completion of Sinscerly :)

My thoughts about the Mainpage being a Hub to deliver to all the different subpages. So main page would look the following Main Page:

 > Carcassonne C2
 > Carcassonne C1
 > Carcassonne Spin-offs
 > other relevant information and pages. 

So on the Carcassonne C2 page you can find anything related to C2. with the structure that is now on the main page. Same for C1 Then we get to Spin-offs also as C2 and C1 but then winter has it's own subpage where all the mini's and base game for winter are.

What is the point about this. Well it would be more clicking instead of scrolling, on mobile then. Also it could be maybe better visible.

Otherwise I would suggest:

Main page

C2
> base
> > abt
> > river
> expansions
> > exp 1
> > etc
C1
> base
> expansions
> > exp 1
> > etc
Spin-offs
> Winter
> > Base Game
> > Gingerbread Man
> > Corn Circles ( I still don't get it, normal one are Crop Circles, right? and winter is called Corn Circles???....)
> other Spin-offs

To put all expansions together, but don't know if that's good. I think the first suggestion is more clearer.

--Sinscerly (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Expansion naming

I've come across several discrepancies in the text that I would like to discuss in order to see if we agree any action upon them. Some may come from the source material (the CAR mainly). This entry is about Expansion naming.

For some expansions we are using names that differ from the "official" ones used by the English publishers. We have some differences in capitalization, the use of And vs. &, and other cases. I included some examples comparing with ZMG:

Oficial Name Wikicarpedia name
Inns & Cathedrals Inns and Cathedrals
Traders & Builders Traders and Builders
The Princess & The Dragon The Princess and the Dragon
Abbey & Mayor Abbey and the Mayor
Count, King & Robber Count, King and Robber
Under The Big Top Under the Big Top
The Flying Machines The Flier (Flying Machines)
The Messengers Messages, The (Dispatches)
The Gold Mines The Goldmines
Mage & Witch Mage and Witch
The Crop Circles Crop Circles

Suggestion:

  • Using the publisher-given name and stick to it when available.
  • Verify if some other name has to be updated, checking references to translations for German.


--Meepledrone (talk) 14:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


  • Sure, better to correct sooner than later. Are you willing to do this? I guess to have as little mess as possible, it would be best to move them without redirection. --MajFrost (talk) 10:23, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Problem with using & in names is that adress will look like crap:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep

--MajFrost (talk) 10:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Cross-references to Expansions/Base game

I've come across several discrepancies in the text that I would like to discuss in order to see if we agree any action upon them. This entry is about cross-references between Expansions.

The CAR original text shows cross-refereces to Expansions in italics generally in the text but not always in footnotes.

Suggestion:

  • Use a link in bold to provide a navigable cross-reference that stands out from the text.

Example:

 Lorem ipsum '''[[The Expansion|The Expansion]]''' blah blah blah

Lorem ipsum The Expansion blah blah blah


--Meepledrone (talk) 14:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


  • I do not get the point of this? So you just want it to stand out from text? Why?

--MajFrost (talk) 10:14, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Self-references to a Expansions/Base game

I've come across several discrepancies in the text that I would like to discuss in order to see if we agree any action upon them. This entry is about self-references in a page.

The CAR original text shows self-refereces to Expansions capitalized.

Suggestion:

  • Use a link in bold to provide a navigable cross-reference that stands out from the text. In case of transcluded page, it MediaWiki will render a link in bold, otherwise name in bold as is.

Example:

 Lorem ipsum '''[[Link to Self|Link to Self]]''' blah blah blah

Lorem ipsum Link to Self blah blah blah


--Meepledrone (talk) 14:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

  • What is the point of selfreferencing? --MajFrost (talk) 10:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)