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exactly like how monasteries are scored during the final scoring. <ref>
exactly like how monasteries are scored during the final scoring. <ref>
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If playing with [[The Flier|The Flier (Flying Machines)]], players may land several several abbots on the same garden or monastery. If so, each abbot could be removed and scored separately. Therefore, the garden or monastery could be partially scored several times. <br />
If playing with [[The Flier|The Flier (Flying Machines)]], several meeples may occupy the same monastery or garden. As a consequence, multiple abbots may occupy a monastery or a garden. If so, each abbot could be removed and scored separately before the feature is completed. This means, the monastery or garden could be partially scored several times before it is completed. Once completed, a monastery or garden with several meeples will be scored taking into account the majority on the feature.   
When a garden or monastery is completed, the remaining meeples (including the abbots not removed) will be scored taking into account the majority on the feature.   
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On your turn, if you '''do not place a meeple''' during the {{ColorBlue|2. Placing a meeple}} phase, <ref>
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You do not place a meeple because you have decided not to, or you don't have any left in your supply.
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The wording of the '''[[Z-Man Games|ZMG]]''' rules speak about "the player deciding to not place a meeple." This can be misleading. It may be interpreted as if the player needs at least one meeple in their supply in order to decide not to place it. This is not the intent in the original rules by '''[[Hans im Glück|HiG]]'''.
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The actual C II rules refer to not placing a "meeple," but they are also referring to special figures not considered as meeples such as the builder, the pig or the barn, as can be implied according to the figure classification provided in [[Variants#Big Box 6|Big Box 6]] and making it extensive to all the expansions. Therefore this stipulation actually refers to not performing any other [[Order_of_Play|{{ColorBlue|2. Placing a meeple}}]] action at all but this is not explicitly stated. In other words, the publisher was keeping the rules as simple as possible at the moment when not all the new edition expansions had been released. (12/2014, updated 3/2015, updated 9/2018)
</ref> you may instead return your already-placed abbot to your supply. If you do so, you score immediately as many points as the garden or monastery your abbot occupied is worth at that time, <ref>
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This scoring occurs immediately during the [[Order_of_Play|{{ColorBlue|2. Placing a meeple}}]] phase when the abbot is removed. This effectively protects the abbot from the dragon and produces a scoring round for Messages. Afterwards, the normal scoring phase occurs. (3/2015)
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You can only score the abbot placed on a monastery or a garden before the feature is completely surrounded by tiles. In this case, you always score the abbot (on the feature), never the feature itself. (11/2020)
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Abbots placed as abbots on special monasteries (German monasteries, Dutch & Belgian monasteries or Japanese buildings) could be also removed as per the interpretation of the rules. The Abbot rules don't contain any limitation to prevent players from doing so. <br />
In this case, a player removing the abbot from a special monastery will score it as if placed on a normal monastery at the end of the game, as indicated in the rules (the position of the abbot meeple is irrelevant). Note that you are scoring the meeple, not the feature it is placed on. <br /> 
An official clarification would be necessary. 
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exactly like how monasteries are scored during the final scoring. <ref>
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If playing with [[The Flier|The Flier (Flying Machines)]], the [[20th Anniversary Expansion|20th Anniversary Expansion]] or [[The Gifts|The Gifts]], several meeples may occupy the same feature. As a consequence, multiple abbots may occupy a monastery or a garden. If so, each abbot could be removed and scored separately (no majority applied) before the feature is completed. This means, the monastery or garden could be partially scored several times before it is completed. When scored during or after the game, a monastery or garden with several meeples will take into account the majority on the feature.   
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On your turn, you may decide to not place a meeple,[1] and may instead return your already-placed abbot to your supply. If you do so, you score as many points as the garden or monastery your abbot occupied is worth at that time,[2] exactly like how monasteries are scored during the final scoring. [3]

  1. The actual C II rules refer to not placing a “meeple,” but they are also referring to special figures not considered as meeples such as the builder, the pig or the barn, as can be implied according to the figure classification provided in Big Box 6 and making it extensive to all the expansions. Therefore this stipulation actually refer to not performing any other “Move Wood” action at all, but this is not explicitly stated. In other words, the publisher was keeping the rules as simple as possible at the moment when not all the new edition expansions where released. (12/2014, updated 3/2015, updated 9/2018)
  2. Official clarification from the publisher This scoring occurs immediately during the “Move Wood” phase when the abbot is removed. This produces a scoring round for Messages. Afterwards, the normal scoring phase occurs. The Order of Play in the new edition (2016) does not protect the abbot from the dragon in contrast with C I rules for the dragon (3/2015, updated 12/2018)
  3. Interpretation from the Community If playing with The Flier (Flying Machines), several meeples may occupy the same monastery or garden. As a consequence, multiple abbots may occupy a monastery or a garden. If so, each abbot could be removed and scored separately before the feature is completed. This means, the monastery or garden could be partially scored several times before it is completed. Once completed, a monastery or garden with several meeples will be scored taking into account the majority on the feature.