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Informații generale și comentarii

Cutia de la Râul I
Cartonașele miniextensiei Râul I
Versiunea OEM
Cutia de la Râul II
Simbolul miniextensiei Râul II
Simbolul miniextensiei Râul (versiunea din anul 2014)

Există două miniextensii cu râu:

The Games Quarterly #11 expansion from 2006 includes 2 river tiles that can combined with any river expansion. One of these tiles is a new river source with a road. It can replace the one included in other rivers and help create smaller farms around the river.

În anul 2014, Big Box 5 al HiG a inclus o versiune a Râul I (numită uneori Râul III) cu unele adiții minore care a legat-o cu Oi și dealuri.

Conținut

  • Râul I: 12 cartonașe de teren noi care asigură o configurare de râu liniară
  • Râul II: 12 cartonașe de teren noi care asigură un aspect de râu bifurcat
  • Râul III: 12 cartonașe de teren noi care asigură același aspect ca Râul I cu câteva concepte extra

Teritorii comune găsite pe cartonașele de râu:[1]

River I C1 Feature River Source.jpg Un izvor[2]
River I C1 Feature River Lake.jpg Un lac[3]
River I C1 Feature Road.jpg Un segment de drum
River I C1 Feature City.jpg Un segment de oraș
River I C1 Feature Chuch.jpg O mănăstire. Ia în vedere podul care trece râul

Râul II prezintă segmente de râu precum și teritorii familiare, printre care se numără orașe, o mănăstire, drumuri și câmpuri, plus o bifurcație de râu, un han (legătură integrată cu Hanuri și catedrale), o turmă de porci (legătură integrată cu Negustori și constructori) și un vulcan (legătură integrată cu Prințesa și dragonul).

Concepte particulare găsite în Râul II:

River II C1 Feature River Fork.jpg O bifurcație de râu
River II C1 Feature Inn.jpg Un han
River II C1 Feature Pig-Herd.jpg O turmă de porci
River II C1 Feature Bridge.jpg Un pod care nu separă câmpurile[4]
River II C1 Feature Lake Volcano.jpg Un vulcan lângă unul dintre lacuri
River II C1 Feature Lake City.jpg Un segment de oraș la celălalt lac

Râul III are același aspect al râului și al teritoriilor ocupante ca Râul I, așa că este considerată a fi aceeași miniextensie. Totuși, această versiune adaugă de asemenea concepte pentru a se împleti cu extensia Oi și dealuri – există 2 cartonașe cu o oaie și 2 cartonașe cu o vie. Adițional, versourile cartonașelor de râu din această versiune sunt de aceeași nuanță de gri închis a cartonașelor standard în loc de cea de gri închis a cartonașelor de pornire și există un simbol de miniextensie nou în față.

Concepte particulare găsite în Râul III:

River III C1 Feature Vineyard v2.jpg O vie
River III C1 Feature Sheep v2.jpg O oaie

Games Quaterly #11 provides a new river source with a road ending at a small cottage. The road splits the farm surrounding the river source:

GC11 C1 Tile 11.jpg

Reguli

Pregătire

The original starting tile is not used. [5] [6] [7]

Separate the spring tile and lake tile from the others. Place the spring tile in the middle of the table, and set the lake tile to the side for now. The other ten tiles are shuffled and placed face down into a stack. [8] [9]

If playing with River II, the fork tile should be set aside along with the source and lake tiles. The fork tile is placed first (after the source tile) by the first player.

Atașează un cartonaș

The players take turns placing tiles [10] [11] When the river is finished, the lake tile is placed, and the game continues with the remaining tiles.

Exemplu a unei configurări de râu în Râul I/III

If playing with River II, the first player places the fork. [12] [13] After this, each player on his or her turn places a tile either on left or right branches of the river. [14] The volcano tile is placed last. The player who places the volcano may not deploy a follower to this tile, but should place the dragon on the tile instead. [15] The player may therefore take another tile immediately, [16] thus beginning the normal game. The river tiles can be placed as the player wishes, except for two exceptions: no 180° turns are allowed, and the two river branches must not be connected.

Exemplu a unei configurări de râu în Râul II

Important: A U-turn with the river tiles is not possible. This means that a 180° turn is not allowed, as it may lead to difficulties in placing all the tiles.[17]

Cotiturile imediate în formă de „U” nu sunt permise într-un râu

Plasează un supus

When a player places a river tile, he or she may deploy a follower using the normal rules for placing a follower. [18] No follower can be deployed to the river itself.

Evaluare

Teritoriul râu însuși nu poate fi evaluat. Toate celelalte teritorii de pe cartonașele de râu sunt evaluate ca în mod obișnuit. Segmentele de râu separă fermele.

Notă pentru conceptele speciale din Râul II

If you don't possess the relevant expansions, the inn, volcano, pig-herd, vineyards and sheep tiles have no particular significance. [19]

The pig-herd tile earns the farmer who owns this farm an extra 1 point per city. If a player has the pig-herd and a pig (from the Traders and Builders expansion), he or she receives an additional 2 points per city. [20] [21] [22] [23] [24]

Alte (mini)extensii

Contele din Carcassonne

The question of how to combine the various “starting” expansions of Carcassonne is a longstanding one, and Hans im Glück has changed its mind several times.

The original rules for The Count of Carcassonne included the following clarification: “If the river is being used, then the spring tile should be placed next, and in such a way that the river leads away from the city.” Yet the rules still said that it was probably better not to use the expansions together, and this was the only piece of advice to make it into the introductory paragraph of its rules in Count, King and Robber: “It is not recommended to combine The Count of Carcassonne and any River expansion(s), as situations may arise in which it is impossible to place tiles properly.”

As the note above this section indicates, this is no longer the recommended approach. Instead, one should always remember the rule from the basic game: “In the rare case that a tile cannot be placed anywhere, it is removed from the game, and the player draws another.” If the river winds around the City of Carcassonne in such a way that you cannot place the next tile (river or otherwise), the tile should be placed to one side, and another drawn. An interesting corollary of this is that the river does not have to be finished: if it is impossible to do so, you do not have to place the final lake tile, and a permanent gap in the playing field might arise (which could, of course, subsequently be filled by an abbey from the Abbey and the Mayor expansion.)

This clearly has consequences beyond combining the two expansions mentioned. Though the rules still say that U-turns are not allowed, resolving such issues is now much more straightforward—no more need to defenestrate players who insist on making awkward tile placements. And it helps considerably in establishing what a game of Mega-Carcassonne should look like.

Of course, some people will object that this rule destroys the aesthetics of the playing field. They might be right, and they are free to adopt a house rule which is more comfortable to them. But for the rules lawyers among us, this rule is an important development.

Roata Destinului

The River and The Wheel of Fortune expansions may be used together. In this case, the Wheel of Fortune board is first placed in the middle of the table. Then, the river source is placed so that the river will flow away from the Wheel of Fortune board. Place the river tiles and lake (mouth) according to the normal River rules. Once the lake (river mouth) has been placed, play proceeds according to normal Carcassonne rules.

Oi și dealuri cu Râul III

The sheep depicted on the river tiles are used with the Hills & Sheep expansion. When a player performs a Gather the Flock action, the sheep depicted on the fields of these river tiles are to be counted and scored along with the Sheep tokens. These depicted sheep are permanent and may be scored multiple times during a game.

The vineyards depicted on the river tiles are used with the Hills & Sheep expansion and add to cloister scoring according to the normal vineyard rules.

When playing without the Hills & Sheep expansion, the depicted sheep and vineyards have no function.

Reguli ale casei

Reguli ale casei pentru Râul I/III

  • Ban all river U-turns to prevent problems with subsequent placement.
  • You are not permitted to lay down any meeples until the entire river is down. (Thanks to metoth)
  • Once the river is complete, it may be moved to the center of the playing area. (Thanks to Joff)
  • Instead of starting with the spring and setting aside the lake, put all of the river pieces into the bag. In this way the river can be any size and there is usually more then one option for placing a river tile. (Thanks to DavidP)
  • Mix the original starting tile (without a river) in with the river tiles. If it is drawn then it acts like a 'bonus' tile that can be placed anywhere. (Thanks to RationalLemming)
  • Lay the river in reverse order, from lake to spring. No real advantage, but might be more desirable, when playing the Count expansion, to have the lake near the City of Carcassonne for purely aesthetic reasons. (Thanks to Scott)

Reguli ale casei pentru Râul II

  • Play the fork of the river first, and lay the spring last. The lakes are mixed in with the other river tiles. (Thanks to Joff)
  • Rather than discarding the second fork (from The River II and Count, King and Robber,) mix it in with the other river tiles and place it normally when it is drawn. (Thanks to Scott)
  • Pig-herds do not score a bonus. (Thanks to Joff)
  • Play both rivers backwards starting with the city/lake. This is more realistic because you then get two springs producing rivers that join and flow ‘down’ to a lake. Discard two lakes—the plain one from River I and the volcano. To set up, place the lake tile, put one spring tile aside as a final ending tile, and then split the balance of the river tiles into two stacks. The junction tile is shuffled into stack 1 and the other spring into stack 2. Then the stack 1 is placed on stack 2—so that the junction will be drawn sometime before the spring. If playing with The Count of Carcassonne, place the city/lake so that it completes one of the small cities around Carcassonne. (Thanks to dwhitworth)
  • Select only one lake tile and use two spring tiles. Lay the river in reverse order. The fork can be placed randomly, or at some predetermined point. The end result is two rivers flowing into one which then flows into a lake. (Thanks to Scott)
  • Start from the fork, playing tiles on all three branches. Play the spring and lake tiles at the end, or mix two of the three with the rest of the river before play to have two of the three branches end randomly. (Thanks to Scott)
  • Play with two forks and a straight river between them. The ends (two lakes, a spring and a volcano) then come out randomly. Makes for a big river, but with 300 or so tiles it works. (Thanks to revolushn)

Referință pentru cartonașe

Râul I (Versiunea originală a Râul din anul 2001)

Numărul total de cartonașe: 12

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River I C1 Tile 10.jpgx1
River I C1 Tile 11.jpgx1
River I C1 Tile 12.jpgx1

Râul II

Numărul total de cartonașe: 12

River II C1 Tile 01.jpgx1
River II C1 Tile 02.jpgx1
River II C1 Tile 03.jpgx1
River II C1 Tile 04.jpgx1
River II C1 Tile 05.jpgx1
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River II C1 Tile 08.jpgx1
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River II C1 Tile 10.jpgx1
River II C1 Tile 11.jpgx1
River II C1 Tile 12.jpgx1

Râul III (Versiunea din anul 2014 a Râul I)

Numărul total de cartonașe: 12

River III C1 Tile 01.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 02.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 03.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 04.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 05.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 06.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 07.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 08.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 09.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 10.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 11.jpgx1
River III C1 Tile 12.jpgx1

Games Quaterly #11

Total Tiles: 2

GC11 C1 Tile 11.jpgx1
GC11 C1 Tile 12.jpgx1


Note de subsol

Pentru licențierea și semnificația pictogramelor vă rugăm să vizitați pagina pentru pictograme.

  1. Icon Open Book.png Oficial, câmpul se duce în jurul izvorului și lacului, creând o fermă conectată.
    Icon Double Arrow Black.png Asta a fost incorporat în ediția RGG a Big Box, care include Râul (ediția HiG nu include) și afirmă că „Spațiul cu câmp de pe cartonașele cu lac și izvor înconjoară acele concepte” („The field space on the lake and spring tiles wraps around those features”).
  2. Icon Double Arrow Black.png În regulile ZMG (în engleză), se folosește „river source” („sursă de râu”) în loc de „spring”. (12/2014)
  3. Icon Double Arrow Black.png În regulile ZMG (în engleză), se folosește „river mouth” („gură de râu”) în loc de „lake” („lac”), deși în ediția nouă a Carcassonne acesta s-a întors înapoi la a fi un „lac” („lake”). (12/2014)
  4. Icon Open Book.png Podul nu separă segmentele de câmp. Doar râul separă segmentele de câmp pe acest cartonaș. Prin urmare, există 2 segmente de câmp pe acest cartonaș. [Asta este logic, deoarece poduri similare de oraș din alte extensii precum Abația și primarul nu divizează orașul de dedesubt. – Chris O.] (1/2013)
  5. Icon Double Arrow Black.png This is an addition to the Count, King and Robber edition of the rules.
  6. Icon Double Arrow Black.png Earlier versions of the rules stated, “The original starting tile can either be mixed into the stack of river tiles, or placed as soon as the river has been completed, and is treated like a normal tile.” (3/2015)
  7. Icon House Black.png The original start tile can be played as per the original rule in the previous footnote. Alternatively, if drawing from a bag where the tile backs cannot be seen, the start tile can be mixed in with the standard tiles. (3/2015)
  8. Icon Double Arrow Black.png In the New Edition, the players are instructed to place the lake tile at the bottom of this stack. (12/2014)
  9. Icon Open Book.png When the two River sets are combined, discard one spring and one lake and make just one river (instead of making two rivers using the two springs).
  10. Icon Double Arrow Black.png The rules from Big Box 5 and the New Edition rules explicitly state that players are to draw River tiles until none are left and that newly-placed tiles must continue the illustration of the river itself. (12/2014)
  11. Icon Open Book.png As noted in the “Deploy a follower” subsection, this player can place a follower if desired. (06/2014)
  12. Icon Open Book.png Question: If you combine Count, King and Robber with The River II, you will now have two forks. Obviously one of those gets placed immediately, but should the other one be mixed in with the rest of the river tiles, or put to one side? Answer: In fact, that means using The River II twice. We didn’t plan that, and I think that it will lead to problems with placement. Whoever wants to do it should go ahead, but there are no rules for it. Sorry!
  13. Icon Open Book.png As noted in the “Deploy a follower” subsection, this player can place a follower if desired. (06/2014)
  14. Icon Open Book.png As noted in the “Deploy a follower” subsection, each player can, if desired, place a follower after he or she places a river tile. (06/2014)
  15. Icon Double Arrow Black.png The RGG edition of Big Box 2 does not mention that a player should place the dragon on the volcano tile, only that the player should place a second tile.
  16. Icon World Black.png This is not standard procedure for placing a volcano tile, according to the rules for The Princess and the Dragon. Under those rules placing a volcano tile does not allow the player to draw a second tile; instead, he or she may only perform actions not connected with follower deployment.
  17. Icon Open Book.png Question: With the U-turn rule when making rivers, does that mean no U-turn ever, or just no immediate U-turns because it will complicate the placement of subsequent river tiles? Answer: Only immediate U-turns are explicitly forbidden. Naturally, there can also be problems if a straight river tile lies between.
  18. Icon Open Book.png Note that river segments separate farms. (08/2014)
  19. Icon House Black.png Still, there seems to be no reason why you couldn’t use the pig-herd without having the pig, since they are scored independently. In fact, the ZMG version of the rules leaves out “pig-herd tile” in this sentence, suggesting that they agree.
  20. Icon Double Arrow Black.png This sentence changed in HiG’s Big Box 2 to remove a previous ambiguity about whether the pig-herd tile could only be scored in addition to a pig. It is now clear that they can be scored independently or together.
  21. Icon Open Book.png You do receive the bonus from the pig-herd tile even if you don't have a pig on the farm. The pig herd is a neutral pig, so to speak.
  22. Icon Open Book.png Question: Does the pig-herd tile still score an extra point when there is a barn on the farm (barn = 4 points, barn+pig-herd = 5 points per city)? Answer: The pig-herd tile only counts in connection with farmers, not the barn.
  23. Icon House Black.png The pig-herd tile can still score an extra point per city when there is a barn on the farm.
  24. Icon World Black.png There are no official rules for using two pig-herd tiles, as there are no rules for using two copies of The River II, and the similar Games Quarterly #11 tile is not officially a pig-herd tile. However, if one farm has multiple pig-herd tiles, it seems that they should not stack; in other words, the bonus should only be awarded once, in keeping with other landscape bonuses such as inns and cathedrals.