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If you place a tile to extend a landscape feature on The City of Carcassonne (road, city field), you may place a follower on it according to the normal rules.
If you place a tile to extend a landscape feature on The City of Carcassonne (road, city field), you may place a follower on it according to the normal rules.
==== Scoring ====


'''Deploying followers to and from Carcassonne'''
'''Deploying followers to and from Carcassonne'''
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[[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] The original version of the rules specifically mention completion of a road, city, or cloister as necessary to trigger the placement of a follower in Carcassonne. However, the [[Rio Grande Games|'''RGG''']] version of the rules and the Big Box 2 rules change the rule to that given here.
[[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] The original version of the rules specifically mention completion of a road, city, or cloister as necessary to trigger the placement of a follower in Carcassonne. However, the [[Rio Grande Games|'''RGG''']] version of the rules and the Big Box 2 rules change the rule to that given here.
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[[File:Icon_World_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] It is clear from the wording that only scoring caused by placement of a tile can trigger placement of a follower in Carcassonne. Thus, scoring from non-landscape-tile related events (such as the Dispatches ([[The Dispatches (1st edition)|The Dispatches]] or paying a ransom for the Tower ([[The Tower (1st edition)|The Tower]])) would not trigger follower placement. Interestingly, though, another FAQ answer (below and on the [[Abbey and the Mayor (1st edition)|Abbey & Mayor]] page) indicates that placement of a '''barn does''' trigger the ability to place a follower in Carcassonne.
[[File:Icon_World_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] It is clear from the wording that only scoring caused by placement of a tile can trigger placement of a follower in Carcassonne. Thus, scoring from non-landscape-tile related events (such as from dispatches ([[The Messages (1st edition)|The Messages]] or paying a ransom for the Tower ([[The Tower (1st edition)|The Tower]])) would not trigger follower placement. Interestingly, though, another FAQ answer (below and on the [[Abbey and the Mayor (1st edition)|Abbey & Mayor]] page) indicates that placement of a barn '''does''' trigger the ability to place a follower in Carcassonne.
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but the player placing the tile does not, this player may deploy one follower from his or her supply to a city quarter of his or her choice. <ref>
but the player placing the tile does not, this player may deploy one follower from his or her supply to a city quarter of his or her choice. <ref>
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Big followers may also be deployed to Carcassonne; as usual, they count as two followers as far as the calculation of the majority in a feature is concerned.  <ref>
Big followers may also be deployed to Carcassonne; as usual, they count as two followers as far as the calculation of the majority in a feature is concerned.  <ref>
[[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] This sentence also appeared in the section on combining this expansion with others.
[[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] This sentence also appeared in the section on combining this expansion with others.
</ref> If using [[Abbey and Mayor (1st edition)|Abbey and Mayor]], the mayor may also be deployed to the castle quarter, and the wagon to the castle, blacksmith, or cathedral quarters.  <ref>
</ref> If using [[Abbey and the Mayor (1st edition)|Abbey and Mayor]], the mayor may also be deployed to the castle quarter, and the wagon to the castle, blacksmith, or cathedral quarters.  <ref>
[[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] This last sentence is taken from [[Hans im Glück|'''HiG’s''']] Big Box 2 rules, where it occurs a little later in the text. It also occurs in the [[Rio Grande Games|'''RGG''']] edition.<br />
[[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] This last sentence is taken from [[Hans im Glück|'''HiG’s''']] Big Box 2 rules, where it occurs a little later in the text. It also occurs in the [[Rio Grande Games|'''RGG''']] edition.<br />
[[File:Icon_World_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] There is also a sentence which says that, “if they are involved in a scoring, he counts as two followers as usual.” Since a mayor is valued according to the number of pennants in a city, and the wagon counts as a single follower, I can only conclude that this sentence is the result of an unfortunate copy-and-paste from the rules about big followers. It should probably read, “if they are involved in scoring a feature, they count towards the majority as usual.” However, the RGG edition translates it as, “if they are used when scoring, each counts as two followers.”
[[File:Icon_World_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] There is also a sentence which says that, “if they are involved in a scoring, he counts as two followers as usual.” Since a mayor is valued according to the number of pennants in a city, and the wagon counts as a single follower, I can only conclude that this sentence is the result of an unfortunate copy-and-paste from the rules about big followers. It should probably read, “if they are involved in scoring a feature, they count towards the majority as usual.” However, the RGG edition translates it as, “if they are used when scoring, each counts as two followers.”
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If a feature is completed <ref>
If a feature is completed <ref>
[[File:Icon_Open_Book.png|16px|text-bottom|]] Followers in Carcassonne '''can''' be redeployed to empty roads, cities, cloisters, or farms. When an empty road, city, or cloister is completed, followers in the appropriate quarter of the city [followers in the castle can only be deployed to cities, and so on] may be redeployed and then scored immediately. In general, unoccupied cities, roads, cloisters do not earn very many points, and so this option in mostly useful for returning followers from Carcassonne to a player's supply.
[[File:Icon_Open_Book.png|16px|text-bottom|]] Followers in Carcassonne '''can''' be redeployed to empty roads, cities, cloisters, or farms. When an empty road, city, or cloister is completed, followers in the appropriate quarter of the city [followers in the castle can only be deployed to cities, and so on] may be redeployed and then scored immediately. In general, unoccupied cities, roads, cloisters do not earn very many points, and so this option in mostly useful for returning followers from Carcassonne to a player's supply.
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[[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] The [[Rio Grande Games|'''RGG''']] rules state “when a [feature] is '''scored'''” rather than '''completed''', potentially providing confusion when comparing the different rule sets (e.g. for unoccupied structures, where nobody gets points). However, as castles ([[Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars (1st edition)|Bridges, Castles and Bazaars]]) prove, all  structures '''do''' score, even if there is no follower present to get those points. Thus, no contradiction.
[[File:Icon_Double_Arrow_Black.png|16px|text-bottom|]] The [[Rio Grande Games|'''RGG''']] rules state “when a [feature] is '''scored'''” rather than '''completed''', potentially providing confusion when comparing the different rule sets (e.g. for unoccupied structures, where nobody gets points). However, as castles ([[Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars (1st edition)|Bridges, Castles and Bazaars]]) prove, all  structures '''do''' score, even if there is no follower present to get those points. Thus, no contradiction.
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</ref> during the subsequent course of play, then before scoring takes place, <ref>
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[[File:Icon_Open_Book.png|16px|text-bottom|]] Followers from the City of Carcassonne (the castle quarter) cannot move to a castle (from ([[Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars (1st edition)|Bridges, Castles and Bazaars]]), as a castle is not a city, but is instead a new type of feature.  
[[File:Icon_Open_Book.png|16px|text-bottom|]] Followers from the City of Carcassonne (the castle quarter) cannot move to a castle (from ([[Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars (1st edition)|Bridges, Castles and Bazaars]]), as a castle is not a city, but is instead a new type of feature.  
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* from the blacksmith's quarter(3), a follower may be moved to a road  
* from the blacksmith's quarter (3), a follower may be moved to a road  
* from the cathedral quarter (4) a follower may be moved to a cloister <ref>
* from the cathedral quarter (4) a follower may be moved to a cloister <ref>
[[File:Icon_Open_Book.png|16px|text-bottom|]] '''Question:''' Until now it was impossible to deploy a second monk to a cloister... '''Answer:''' That is exactly the point. There was no rule that said only one monk could occupy a cloister. It was simply not possible because of the rules for placing tiles. This is the first opportunity for stealing a cloister away from a player. And deploying the big follower to a cloister may now be worthwhile as well.
[[File:Icon_Open_Book.png|16px|text-bottom|]] '''Question:''' Until now it was impossible to deploy a second monk to a cloister... '''Answer:''' That is exactly the point. There was no rule that said only one monk could occupy a cloister. It was simply not possible because of the rules for placing tiles. This is the first opportunity for stealing a cloister away from a player. And deploying the big follower to a cloister may now be worthwhile as well.
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